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buoerny@aol.com (Buoerny)

Post subject: Re: Class 376 aka Suburban Elecrostars testing from May?

Posted: 2004-04-02 20:10:01

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>Peter Masson Peter.Masson1@privacy.net wrote:

>M.Whitson wrote in message
>news:c4k0r2$pc0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> I have heard Holden, the SET MD, claim that 465s are quite suitable for
>> mainline use because they already run to Gillingham (36 Miles). I think he
>> overlooks the fact that no passenger from Gillingham would travel to
>London
>> on a 465 the furthest any one is likely to travel would be to Woolwich. If
>> they wanted London passengers from Chatham and Gillingham would use the
>> Victoria ML services.
>> Would anyone like to convince me differently?
>
>You wont get a 465 (or any other train) through from Gillingham to Woolwich
>till next year (coutesy of Strood and Higham tunnels). But, before the
>tunnel closed, there were passengers who chose to use that route, if their
>destination was close to Charing Cross, or Waterloo, say. 465s are also used
>on some peak stopping services to Victoria via Sole Street.
>How far out are SET intending to use 465/466s? Presumably Gillingham,
>Tunbridge Wells, Maidstone East - what about Ashford, Faversham? Any
>further?

They already use 465s to Ashford - 10:00, 12:00, 14:00 services from Charing
Cross via Tonbridge and balancing workings including one via Maidstone East.
Many Maidstone East terminating trains are 465s and they ran to Tunbridge Wells
until the recent change in the timetable. Remember at one time express gear
ratio EPBs had peak duties to Ramsgate.

Jonathan

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Peter Masson

Post subject: Re: Class 376 aka Suburban Elecrostars testing from May?

Posted: 2004-04-02 22:25:38

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Buoerny wrote in message
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> Remember at one time express gear
> ratio EPBs had peak duties to Ramsgate.
>

ISTR that in the 1960s there were various Summer trains which ran as an
all-stations suburban train from Charing Cross to Dartford, and was then
extended to Ramsgate, and these would have been formed of, or include EPBs
without the benefit of express gear. And 2HAPs, which were only one step up
from EPBs (First Class section and toilets, but otherwise indistinguishable
from an EPB for most passengers) wandered all over Kent.

Peter

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Nick Lawford

Post subject: Re: Class 376 aka Suburban Elecrostars testing from May?

Posted: 2004-04-02 23:18:14

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Peter Masson wrote in message
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> from an EPB for most passengers) wandered all over Kent.

I have seen and travelled on SWD EPB - which were not express ratio - at
to Bournemouth on several occasions.

They used to appear on the summer dated Waterloo to Bournemouth
timetabled fast reliefs that used to run ahaead of the regular 00:30
91 during peak loading periods on summer Satudays (but not the ~10:28
ex Waterloo which was in theory a Rep usually a 73).

I have no idea if any were booked EPB but it was certainly more than an
odd one or two times. Somewhere I have got pics of an 8car Bullied body
EPB at both Southampton and Bournemouth with headcode 91.

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Bill Hayles

Post subject: Re: Class 376 aka Suburban Elecrostars testing from May?

Posted: 2004-04-03 11:02:53

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On 02 Apr 2004 20:10:01 GMT, buoerny@aol.com (Buoerny) wrote:

> at one time express gear
>ratio EPBs had peak duties to Ramsgate.

As Peter Beale has already said, EPBs went anywhere on the
electrified network (and on one embarrassing occasion off it with
yours truly at the back). Although not an everyday occurrence, an
EPB at somewhere like Ramsgate or Dover was not especially
noteworthy.

Express gear allowed speeds up to 90mph and was fitted to all EP
braked stock except EPBs. EPBs had suburban gear and a maximum
speed of 75mph.

The express gear EPBs were so upgraded so that they could work in a
12 car train with the other 8 cars CEP or VEP and at up to 90mph.

Except in an emergency, you couldnt run a train of mixed suburban /
express gear with more than 50% express gear, even if you kept to
75mph.

EPB-EPB-CEP was OK, but not EPB-CEP-CEP.

That was fairly easy to spot. Harder was something like
HAP-HAP-EPB-HAP, and mistakes were sometimes made, especially at
Gillingham.

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Bill Hayles
billnot@billnot.com
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