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PostPosted: 2004-06-13 19:20:20
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On 13 Jun 2004 10:35:22 -0700 someone who may be RBCatlow@aol.com
(Richard Catlow) wrote this:-

>As far as Jons comment goes, I wouldnt be to purturbed about the
>Dawlish conditions, they get equally bad along the Ayr coast, where BR
>used 50kV rated insulators without sacrificing too much in the way of
>reliability.

I think they are slightly worse. In my limited number of trips along
both stretches I have never seen a flat sea around Saltcoats and
there has always been water on the windows and roof.

>I think the biggest challenge on the GW routes would be
>the Severn tunnel

Lowering the floor would be an interesting job given the drainage
system in the tunnel. I would also not be that keen on drilling into
the top of the arch given the thin nature of what is above the
tunnel in places. However, modern technology would alleviate the
risks of a flood.

There is also the question of the diversionary/secondary routes.


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PostPosted: 2004-06-14 13:59:48
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On 13 Jun 2004 10:35:22 -0700 someone who may be RBCatlow@aol.com
(Richard Catlow) wrote this:-

>I think the biggest challenge on the GW routes would be
>the Severn tunnel

I forgot to add. If new thinking is to be the order of the day then
one way of getting clearances in tunnels is not to use conventional
track. LR55 (http://www.edinburgh-tram.co.uk/track.htm) can be cut
into the existing floor of a tunnel, or a thin screed and provide
the necessary clearances without doing a huge amount of work. As
well as doing away with the ballast, the top of the rail is at the
same height as the floor of the tunnel which lowers the track by the
height of the rail and the thickness of the slab in paved track.

Although the page shows a tramway installation the track can carry
railway axle loads. The thing that fails first is the concrete
trough unit at ISTR the equivalent of a 50 tonne axle load. I do
know that Railtrack were looking at LR55 track for providing
enhanced clearances in tunnels (actually for bigger ISO containers)
before Railtrack imploded.


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PostPosted: 2004-06-16 11:39:32
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On 15 Jun 2004 14:20:07 -0700 someone who may be RBCatlow@aol.com
(Richard Catlow) wrote this:-

>But it doesnt stop at the physical coupling, what is needed
>is a standard train to train data interface - a sort of plug and play
>module that recognises what has coupled to the failed unit and
>configures the interface to allow basic operation from the front or
>back of the formation. No reason why that couldnt be adapted for loco
>haulage either.

In the signalling world there is a phrase for this. A STM (ISTR this
is selective transmission module, but I may be misremembering). This
gadget would take ATP information from one sort of track equipment
and convert it into the format the train used. For example a train
could leave London Paddington using the BR-ATP system, but when it
got to a stretch of line equipped with ETCS the STM would convert
this information so that the driver still saw the same thing. There
was a lot of talk of this a few years ago, presumably development is
continuing.

>TOC, Maximum Demand would have been about 20MW = pence per kW/Hr = 3.7
>times as much as Railtrack paid.

In the case of the tramway schemes Im thinking of the overhead
would be supplied, installed and maintained by the electricity
company. They would then charge for electricity at the pantograph.
In essence the tramway is leasing the supply system, but the figures
can make sense.


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